from another forum

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 Dude posts "We should be determined to say that we stand on the ground for GOD. I wonder how life would look like without Godly people."

So I sez....

It would look like the pre-Renaissance Europe of the 8th-13th centuries:

• Illiteracy the norm
• Caste/class system condemning most to poverty
• Compressed lifespan thanks to endemic, misunderstood and therefore untreatable diseases
• Women without civil rights
• Slavery
• Racist violence and torture

The history of modernity is entwined with the history of "Godly" people. Religion has been a tool for oppression and the inspiration for
revolution. Has contributed to humanism and injustice. Been used to justify human rights violations and social justice movements.

But liberal, capitalist, social democracies are more often successful under secularism--which isn't the elimination of faith, but the emphasis
on common values that aren't owned by a faith--or any faith. I know as many moral athiests as I do slimeball religionists.

Regardless, faith is a subject best served by questions rather than statements. Or polemics. Or testimonies. Attraction rather than
promotion, in other words.