deontology of the closet
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jawnbcTed Haggard and his ilk were on Oprah yesterday. Sometimes Oprah's faux "neutrality" gets up my nose, but she wasn't peddling that very much. In fact, we could the episode the Wednesday morning smackdown. Or kick down, in terms of the closet.
First, props to Ted for copping to the bullshite he was pedalling to the media after his arrest. My favourite line was when Oprah asked about "I bought the drugs, but then I threw them away" and he said "oh no, that was a lie. A lie, a lie a lie." And she said "I thought so, because..." "Because that's so stoopid," he continued, "who buys drugs and then throws them out?"
Then Gayle (Mrs.). Haggard comes out, and OMFG Becky things got interesting. First, Gayle goes on and on about desires versus actions--but Oprah was like "I'm sorry, I'm not gonna agree with that. I'm heterosexual, and I cannot imagine what it feels like to be same-sex attracted. I have lots of gay friends, if you're attraction is to the same sex, that's what it is." *hi5 Oprah*
Then the Haggards revealed they are travelling in different universes, with her clinging to the desires are not actions and him saying the desire is a part of who you are. It is what it is. Periodically he would spiral into self-loathing, blathering about sin and Jesus. Gayle Haggard was pretty quiet then.
In fact, for much of the show, she didn't look at him while she spoke. In fact, she kept her body turned away from him when she did speak to him.
He needs to leave her and they all need to get on with their lives. Because what they're doing isn't Godly and isn't brave and isn't something that should be modelled to young, same-sex attracted young people.
it's totally fooked. But I guess Oprah didn't want to drop the F-bomb.
First, props to Ted for copping to the bullshite he was pedalling to the media after his arrest. My favourite line was when Oprah asked about "I bought the drugs, but then I threw them away" and he said "oh no, that was a lie. A lie, a lie a lie." And she said "I thought so, because..." "Because that's so stoopid," he continued, "who buys drugs and then throws them out?"
Then Gayle (Mrs.). Haggard comes out, and OMFG Becky things got interesting. First, Gayle goes on and on about desires versus actions--but Oprah was like "I'm sorry, I'm not gonna agree with that. I'm heterosexual, and I cannot imagine what it feels like to be same-sex attracted. I have lots of gay friends, if you're attraction is to the same sex, that's what it is." *hi5 Oprah*
Then the Haggards revealed they are travelling in different universes, with her clinging to the desires are not actions and him saying the desire is a part of who you are. It is what it is. Periodically he would spiral into self-loathing, blathering about sin and Jesus. Gayle Haggard was pretty quiet then.
In fact, for much of the show, she didn't look at him while she spoke. In fact, she kept her body turned away from him when she did speak to him.
He needs to leave her and they all need to get on with their lives. Because what they're doing isn't Godly and isn't brave and isn't something that should be modelled to young, same-sex attracted young people.
it's totally fooked. But I guess Oprah didn't want to drop the F-bomb.
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Date: 2009-01-29 10:51 pm (UTC)I think I found it.
Date: 2009-01-29 11:48 pm (UTC)Re: I think I found it.
Date: 2009-01-30 12:11 am (UTC)Re: I think I found it.
Date: 2009-01-30 12:16 am (UTC)Oprah at 3:16 looks like she's going to bust out with a loud, "bullshit!"
Re: I think I found it.
Date: 2009-01-30 01:18 am (UTC)And here is more (I don't know what is the chronological sequence):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-SQD1sn7mo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs3382j2mIE
I find it all disgusting.
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Date: 2009-01-29 10:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-29 11:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-30 12:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-29 11:06 pm (UTC)When I was in "conversion therapy", my therapist said exactly the same thing. Something along the lines of, "You're not gay. You're heterosexual, but with some homosexual ideation blah blah blah".
I thought Oprah did a good job, too.
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Date: 2009-01-29 11:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-30 12:15 am (UTC)My therapist used subliminal suggestion and actively encouraged me to consume heterosexual pornography. What a quack!
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Date: 2009-01-30 12:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-30 01:43 am (UTC)He left "conversion therapy" to focus on substance abuse addiction counseling.
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Date: 2009-01-30 01:59 am (UTC)I think he is... see icon.
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Date: 2009-01-30 02:04 am (UTC)It is completely wrong on so many levels, but I fell for it. It took me a while to break out of it.
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Date: 2009-01-30 02:20 am (UTC)We had the homosexuality-as-a-mental-disease approach here too during the Communist era, and a very secular version of it 9it was an aggressively atheistic culture). I don't know if anyone had ever tried to "treat" it. It was very much a taboo, and there wasn't much information.
I'm sorry that you had to go through all that. Well, well, the mistakes of youth.
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Date: 2009-01-30 03:35 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-29 11:14 pm (UTC)Can we have an AMEN?
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Date: 2009-01-29 11:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-29 11:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-30 01:11 am (UTC)Anyway, somehow I watched this Haggard bit and felt she did a good job of dismissing this charlatan. And you nailed it on the head in regard to his beard, I mean, wife.
Still, I wish the O would just come out and support the gay outright.
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Date: 2009-01-30 10:15 pm (UTC)